Showing posts with label Grosset and Dunlap. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Grosset and Dunlap. Show all posts

Tuesday, March 24, 2009

"All Grosset and Dunlap Books Are Reprints"

So said many collector's guides from decades ago. This myth continues to be perpetuated among booksellers. Most booksellers know better, but a good many still believe that all Grosset and Dunlap books are worthless or cannot be first printings.

From the eBay Booksellers Board:

Book Help: Ted Scott Flying Stories

Someone asked whether a Ted Scott book could be a first printing. The first person to respond stated, "Anything by Grosset and Dunlap is a reprint." This person was quickly corrected by a couple of people who stated that most of the Grosset and Dunlap series books were originally published by Grosset and Dunlap.

Further into the message thread, professorbooknoodle stated:
There was a time in the book world -- years and years ago -- when dealers sneered at G & D books - and eschewed them -- nay - spurned them. But there were always a few bright-eyed collectors and dealers who ignored the prevailing winds and set out from shore a bit further, buying nice Grossets when prices were as low as a worm's perspective.

When ever a book was thrown across a room, there was 50% chance it was a Grosset.

Now the problem is to find specimens with spiffy jackets. That was always a goal, but there used to be more of them. Just a natural attrition.

Oldbookshopnj wrote, "I clearly remember going to a book sale and not buying G&D series books because I knew all G&D books were reprints."

Ouch! I have heard similar stories many times.

Thursday, January 1, 2009

Another Grosset and Dunlap Myth

1961 Rare Nancy Drew BOOKS $1 BOX Vintage OLD Gifts Item #330295999541

The auction is for a picture cover of Fire Dragon that has the $1 box printed as part of the front cover. The seller states:
"it is part of the book and cannot be removed. And Therein was the problem. Retailers couldn’t jack the price, and they hated it.. This brilliant idea was quickly halted and the ‘idea-man’ still works in the mail room to this day. Only a handfull of volumes were printed this way...just try to find another!"
Then why did Grosset and Dunlap make it a practice from the 1970s and continuing to the present day to actually print the price on the back cover of all of its books? It is quite common to find Nancy Drew books from the 1970s and 1980s that have the price covered by a gray box with a new price printed off to the side. If printing the price on the book was such a bad thing, why did they keep doing it later? Why are they still doing it? All stores have to do is put a sticker over the price that is printed on the book.

The $1 box editions quickly were halted because the price increased past $1. Since Grosset and Dunlap still prints the prices on their books, I doubt that the reason was solely because retailers did not want the price on the books. The main point of the seller's story is to add interest to the listing.

As to whether only a handful of copies were printed, I doubt it. Each book that had a $1 box appears to have had an entire print run with the price box on the cover. By Kingsport press file copies that I have seen from the early 1970s, each printing of each Nancy Drew book had around 10,000 copies. It is quite likely that the $1 box books had as high of a print run as any other printing.

The books are scarce, but they can be found. I have one of each in my collection, and I know I have had extras of several of them. The seller stated to "just try to find another," but I have had duplicates. The number of copies that come up for sale is a bit low, but I have seen them often enough that it is a stretch to imply that a buyer is not going to be able to find another. The examples that come up for sale are usually in rough shape, so the more likely reason as to why so few copies are around is that most of them may have been destroyed by wear and tear.

Friday, December 26, 2008

Grosset and Dunlap Myths

Many people have beliefs about Grosset & Dunlap that are based on false information or on conspiracy theories. Several prominent series book authors including Margaret Sutton and Helen Wells believed that Grosset & Dunlap conspired with the Stratemeyer Syndicate during the 1960s to suppress the publication of the non-Syndicate books. At the same time, Harriet Adams and the Stratemeyer Syndicate grew increasingly discontented with Grosset & Dunlap for not advertising the Syndicate books as well as they could have.

In truth, Grosset & Dunlap was a low-budget publisher that had no interest in going to any extra trouble to promote series that were already selling for them. Grosset & Dunlap showed no favoritism towards the Syndicate, as evidenced by the fact that Harriet Adams sold the rights to the new Nancy Drew titles to Simon and Schuster in 1980. People often think that a conspiracy exists when it does not.

This brings me to sellers' comments in eBay auctions. Sellers who have Farah's Guide sometimes give explanations for why a book is scarce, and their explanations are based completely on flawed speculation. Here is an example:

Clue of Broken Locket Nancy Drew HTF Short Print Run Item #200291053097

This auction is for the first picture cover printing of Broken Locket which has the "man with pipe" cover art. There were just three printings of Broken Locket with this cover art. The first two printings have the original 1934 text, and the third printing has the revised 1965 text. The seller states:
"Hard to find but wanted a lot since there was a short print of the 1st edition PC printed....You won't see this on the block very often. As we collectors know these type books enrichen in value yearly....I have only seen this 1st ED once on the market for sale once in two years. I grabbed this one and now putting it back up for someone who knows their 1st ED PC Nancy Drew per Farah's books. The price goes up every year or even less sometimes when added attractions are involved like the artist drawing a pic of himself in the back ground. That is why printing copies were so few on this books 1st Ed , 1st print. To make it more valuable."
So much is wrong with the seller's comments that I hardly know where to begin. The seller states that only one has been for sale in the last two years. Really? I can find one copy listing to Fire Dragon in the last two weeks' worth of closed auctions. Is that it? No, because I can also find one that is currently for sale in an eBay store. Far more than one copy has sold in the last two years. I am confident that at least one copy of the "man with pipe" Broken Locket that lists to Fire Dragon sells each month on eBay.

If the book is so scarce that only one has been available in the last two years, why would a seller try to get only $23.00 for it? $23.00 was the Buy It Now price, and the book sold at the opening bid of $19.99.

The seller also states that the book is desired because of how few copies were printed. It is not the number of copies of a book that determines a book's desirability. Remember that many library bindings are one-of-a-kind, yet they have no value because I'm the only one who wants them. Scarceness does not determine value. Many scarce books have no value because nobody wants them.

The seller states that very few copies of this book were printed "to make it more valuable." Grosset & Dunlap had no interest in limited edition collectibles. Exactly how would it have benefited Grosset & Dunlap to create a book that was valuable on the secondary market? They did not have a stake in the secondary market.

Whatever happened is what happened, and Grosset & Dunlap had no reason for it. If there was a reason, then it could have been because the cover art had a man smoking, and this may not have been to Harriet Adams' liking. Nobody knows for certain.

I am also not impressed with the supposed rarity of the "man with pipe" cover art that is hyped by so many sellers. They all tend to state that the "man with pipe" cover art is extremely hard to find, yet the book is not that hard to find. Of course buyers can't just grab a copy for a couple of dollars at any given time, but the book is up for sale most of the time on eBay. It can be had for under $10.00.

The printing that is truly scarce and possibly rare is the third printing of the "man with pipe" cover art that has the revised 1965 text. Exactly how many of those are seen up for sale? I estimate that I see only one per year. Farah assigns the same value of $50.00 to the first and the last of the three "man with pipe" cover art Broken Lockets. The third printing is by far more scarce and should be worth far more than the first printing. If the first printing is worth $50.00, then the third printing should be worth $100.00 or more. On the other hand, if the third printing is worth $50.00, then the first printing should be worth far less since it is more abundant.

The point of this message is to give another example of why all buyers should question the comments of all sellers and never take a seller's comments as the gospel. Always remember that sellers are making a sales pitch and are trying to make their items sound better than everyone else's items. I try to be cautious with what I claim in auctions, but I make mistakes at times.

I used to believe the whole "Grosset & Dunlap conspired with the Stratemeyer Syndicate against Margaret Sutton and Helen Wells" conspiracy theory until I realized why it made no sense. Grosset and Dunlap had an equal amount to gain from sales of all of its series books. Undermining the sales of most of its books to the benefit of just a few would only have hurt profits in the long run.

Thursday, June 12, 2008

Grosset and Dunlap Formats

In a previous post, I mentioned the great variety of colors of the Grosset and Dunlap bindings from the 1940s. Probably in an effort to save money, Grosset and Dunlap used the bindings from one series on other series. I want to expand on this a little bit, but I want to first mention what happened during the 1960s.

During the early 1960s, the Grosset and Dunlap books switched from tweed books with dust jackets to books where the picture is printed directly on the front cover, called picture covers. The Nancy Drew books were printed with yellow spines, and the Hardy Boys books were printed with blue spines. The earliest Cherry Ames picture covers also were printed with yellow spines just like the Nancy Drew books. The earliest Tom Swift, Jr. picture covers were printed with blue spines just like the Hardy Boys books. Presumably to avoid confusion, the Cherry Ames books were switched to green spines so that they would look different from the Nancy Drew books. The Tom Swift, Jr. books were switched to yellow spines to avoid looking like the Hardy Boys books. It should be noted that the Nancy Drew and Hardy Boys books received the preferential treatment; they were not the ones that were changed.

The Judy Bolton picture covers were printed with olive green spines. The Dana Girls books had beige/lavender spines. The Vicki Barr books had blue spines. The Peggy Lane books had vivid pink spines. The Rick Brant books had light gray spines. I will stop short of listing all of them, but while the different series tended to have different colored spines, some of them ended up with the same color.

For instance, the Nancy Drew and Tom Swift, Jr. books both ended up with yellow spines. This must not have been considered a problem since one series was for girls and the other for boys. The reason why the spine colors were changed probably has more to do with the Cherry Ames books looking like the Nancy Drew books. After all, the Stratemeyer Syndicate was likely concerned that people might accidentally purchase a Cherry Ames book thinking that it was a Nancy Drew book. Since the Syndicate did not own the rights to the Cherry Ames series, this would have been very bad indeed. They would not have wanted the Cherry Ames books to take away from the sales of the Nancy Drew books.

To stray some from my primary topic, the Dana Girls books were often confused with the Nancy Drew books, and in this case, the confusion was caused on purpose. The Stratemeyer Syndicate wanted the Nancy Drew books to help sell the Dana Girls books. Both series were Syndicate properties. The Dana Girls books were always described as "by the author of the Nancy Drew books" on the front of all of the 1950s and 1960s books, and on the back panel of the 1930s and 1940s dust jackets. When I used to purchase books in antique stores, the Dana Girls books were usually described as Nancy Drew books by the sellers. This also happens quite often on eBay. People see the name Nancy Drew placed prominently at the top of the book and think that the book is a Nancy Drew book.

Going back to the discussion of binding styles, it was not so important for the books to be different colors during the time of the dust-jacketed books. The dust jackets covered the books, so several series could have the same color of binding. In fact, the colors could be mixed and matched, if necessary.

During the 1930s, the bindings stayed rather consistent in color for all of the series. There are just a couple of exceptions. The Hardy Boys books were originally red and changed to brown. The Beverly Gray series did have more than one color of binding, but that series was originally published by A. L. Burt/Blue Ribbon Books. The multiple binding colors were likely a residual effect from the previous print history.

For the other series, the colors did not change during the 1930s. The Nancy Drew books were always blue; the Judy Bolton books were always green; and the Dana Girls books were always purple.

For the 1940s Grosset and Dunlap books, the different series changed colors quite frequently. It likely is because of reduced print runs and the World War II rationing that Grosset and Dunlap was so inconsistent with its 1940s books. The Judy Bolton and Beverly Gray series in particular were printed in a wide variety of colors. It may in fact be that the sales of the Judy Bolton and Beverly Gray books were quite poor at that time, so Grosset and Dunlap used extra bindings from the Nancy Drew and Bobbsey Twins series on those books. This is purely speculation.

What is obvious is that the Nancy Drew books were always blue. After the first few years, the Hardy Boys books were always brown, with the exception of The Short Wave Mystery, which has been found in a maroon binding. The maroon Short Wave was probably an accident, since it is quite scarce. My point is that this is further evidence that the Stratemeyer Syndicate books received preferential treatment by Grosset and Dunlap.

During the 1950s, the Nancy Drew, Tom Swift, Jr., Beverly Gray, and Vicki Barr books were all blue tweed. The Hardy Boys and Connie Blair books were both tan tweed. The Judy Bolton, Cherry Ames, and Rick Brant books were all red/brick tweed. The Dana Girls and Bobbsey Twins books were both a greenish tweed.

With only one exception, Grosset and Dunlap stayed consistent during the 1950s with which series had which colors of binding. The one oddity is that the first eight Dana Girls books printed in 1954 have a blue binding that does not look just like the ones used on the other series books, such as Nancy Drew, that had the blue binding. Some collectors have observed that the "blue velvet" Dana Girls books seem to appear in Canada with an above average frequency and have speculated that those books may have been a Canadian printing. It would explain why the Dana Girls series has this one deviation from the 1950s standard of using the same color on all volumes of a particular series.

It is only the Stratemeyer Syndicate series, like Nancy Drew, Tom Swift, Jr., the Dana Girls, and Hardy Boys, that can be easily purchased in complete runs with the same color of binding or the same spine color. All of the other series suffered a second-rate treatment, and this makes it problematic for collectors who want all of the books in the series to have the same design. While all of the Judy Bolton books were designed the same for the picture cover books, not all of the books were printed in that format due to low demand. #30, 31, and 33 do not exist as picture cover books. On the other hand, #35 through 38 were only printed as picture cover books and never had dust jackets. No matter what design a Judy Bolton collector prefers, the books will have to be purchased in more than one format. Such is the reality of collecting most Grosset and Dunlap series books.

Sunday, May 18, 2008

The 1940s Grosset and Dunlap Formats

In reflecting over the different format changes of the old Grosset and Dunlap books, it becomes apparent that Grosset and Dunlap gave Nancy Drew the best treatment. This is probably partly because of the Stratemeyer Syndicate's ownership of Nancy Drew and partly because Nancy Drew was Grosset and Dunlap best moneymaker.

The Nancy Drew books always had the best illustrations. I can think of no juvenile series that had nicer illustrations than the 1930s Nancy Drew books done by Russell Tandy. Additionally, the Nancy Drew books always had frontispiece illustrations, even during the 1940s. Grosset and Dunlap did everything it could to cut costs during the 1940s, such as taking many series out of print, including the Dana Girls. Grosset and Dunlap eliminated the frontispieces from many series books. Some of the Judy Bolton and Beverly Gray books from the 1940s were printed without the frontispieces. I have never seen a Nancy Drew book without a frontispiece.

Also during the 1940s, Grosset and Dunlap used a wide variety of bindings on its series books. What they probably did was use the bindings intended for one series on another series. For instance, the blue Nancy Drew bindings were used on some of the Beverly Gray books; or, the green Bobbsey Twins bindings were used on some of the Judy Bolton or Beverly Gray books. The Stratemeyer Syndicate series books do not seem to have as many binding variations as the independent series books. The bindings of the Nancy Drew books were always blue. The Beverly Gray books from the same time period were light green, medium green, dark green, medium blue, dark blue, maroon, and red. The Judy Bolton books were light green, medium green, dark green, orange, and red.

The Nancy Drew endpapers stayed pretty consistent during the 1940s. The one inconsistency was when the maroon Dana Girls endpapers were used on the Nancy Drew books. Of course, the Dana Girls endpapers were only used because the Dana Girls went out of print and something had to be done with those leftover endpapers . . .

These have been my thoughts as I have been looking over my Beverly Gray books this weekend. With me, to think is to act, so I have been busy building a Beverly Gray Formats page. I did not realize that there were so many different colors of binding used on the Beverly Gray books during the 1940s! I noticed the lack of frontispieces inside some of the books and realized that Beverly Gray was like an unwanted stepchild. The Beverly Gray dust jacket art was pitiful during the 1940s. Beverly Gray deserved much better, but we are very lucky that the series even survived the move to Grosset and Dunlap. She nearly didn't make it. Beverly Gray's fortuitous move to Grosset and Dunlap might be a good topic for my next post.